Monday, September 10, 2007

Nortenos terrorize residents in the Mission

As reported by an anonymous contributer at SFist:

Nortenos wage campaign of terror in the Mission: Just as the bars closed for the night, at approximately 2:10-2:30 of Sunday morning (Sept. 9) a group of about 10-15 norteno gang members went on a rampage at the corner of 24th and Shotwell. They literally stopped cars driving down 24th Street and threatened drivers. They also threw rocks and bottles and vandalized parked cars. The gang members then fired several shots into the air, from what I presumed to be fully automatic handguns. SFPD responded rather quickly after shots were fired, but the gang members got away. I overheard the gang members saying that this was their barrio.

Could be that the gang is trying to intimidate people in the neighborhood before the injunctions are enforced. Stay safe out there!

55 comments:

roxiegirl said...

:( bad bad bad... :(

Jamesy-Cakes said...

fuck this!!! Seriously. I am sick of seeing petty crime out side my window (geary n van ness) like drugs, fights, hookers and shit. But serious physical violence. Fuck that. I can't tell you how fed up I am getting.

Anonymous said...

Has this story been verified elsewhere? Anyone can write an anonymous tip on sfist. I live right by 24th & Treat, (near the Dirty Thieves Bar) and never heard about this happening. The claim that the gang members were firing fully automatic pistols is quite amazing. If this is true (that the Nortenos now have a bunch of machine gun pistols), we need to evacuate all the families from the Mission and call in the military.

Rah said...

Why would someone lie about this?

Also, most people not educated about guns will refer to any handgun that's not a revolver, as "automatic" even though it's usually probably semiautomatic.

Really, though, the situation is what matters, not the specifics on weapons.

And anyways, gangbangers have had automatic weapons for a long long time now (do you remember SFPD Officer Isaac Espinoza? He was killed in 2004 by a guy with an AK-47. He was just one of many who have been victims of an automatic weapon), and even though it would be unlikely, its certainly not impossible that one could have a fully automatic pistol.

Anonymous said...

I posted that tip at SFist and witnessed the incident myself. As for independent verification, stroll on by to the Mission Station and ask the desk officer or ask someone that lives on the block if they heard all the racket that night.

I wouldn't count on the neighborhood papers to report on this incident, especially since El Tecolote (located on 24th St & Harrison) ran a staff editorial against the gang injunction City Attorney Dennis Herrera is seeking against the members of the Norteno gang. Can't tell you how feed up I am with these criminals. We need someone like Elliot Ness to clean up this town.

Anonymous said...

I posted the original note asking if this story was true. I asked some beat cops about it this AM at Folsom & 24th and they said they didn't know about it. I asked a bunch of neighbors too.
I don't want to call anyone a liar without knowing the facts. I just don't want to exaggerate crime in the Mission. I've lived here for 20 years and I've heard a lot of rumors about the gangs that turned out not to be true. Sometimes people make up stuff to glorify the gangs. I'm not saying that's happening in this case. I believe you. It's just good to be skeptical before freaking everyone out.
What corner was this on BTW?

Anonymous said...

24th and Shotwell. Early Sunday morning, around 2:10-2:30am.

Anonymous said...

I live in the neighborhood and was fighting with my girlfriend outside when the gun fire went off. It was semi-automatic small caliber stuff, followed by yelling, police and the usual crowd dispersing. Isn't really anything new get over it or get out. And yes I am part of the first wave of gentrification.

Anonymous said...

I'm the one who's been questioning this story for a while. I've been asking everyone and couldn't get a validation. I was talking home tonight and was panhandled by one of the bottlemen. I talk to this guy often and he's sober, well spoken & and relatively reliable. Without asking about it, he started telling me about this incident on Shotwell and 24th on Saturday night. His version is that "a bunch' of 15 year old latino 'gang banger' kids took over the corner. They harrassed a bunch of people, broke car windows and actually stole or robbed the keys of a woman driving a Lexus. They wanted $100 to get them back. At some point they also shot 9mm pistols into the air. He said they just went crazy. Apparently they didn't get the money nor she her keys. The bottleman said he stayed with her until after 4AM until someone came with an extra set of keys. So yeah something really bad happened. From his story, I'm not sure if it was Nortenos, I'm not sure it was directed at the bar people (who are mostly European Americans) but it was a scary scene all around and nobody was caught as far as we can tell. To the original poster: Sorry to question your story. I just want to make sure. I own a home and business here and hate to see the reputation of the neighborhood harmed unfairly. In this case, it seems justified and I'm sure it was a scary experience. Peace.

Anonymous said...

It's all good. About a year ago, an officer that works in the Mission station said that some nights they were really short on officers and had to cut back to one officer per car, instead of two. Some nights they only had 5 officers to cover all of the Mission. The reason they were so short on manpower was the large number of retirements and recruitment problems. I think there is funding for 3 new police academy classes, so those numbers should be improving.

Anonymous said...

Why doesn't someone ask why Sheriff Michael Hennessey believes that there isn't gang problem in San Francisco. But he goes ahead an segregates all the Nortenos and Surenos in custody at our jails. Mikes philosophy is that gang violences is learned and it can be unlearned. If you really believe that. Then you must be drinking too much of the kool-aid these damn fools are trying to pull over your eyes. You have a 28 years incumbent that doesn't do a damn about the prevailing gang violences within our city. But he talking about this as it is only a perceive problem of the few and only to manifested by the malcontent of our society. In closing, why isn't Mike Hennessey stepping forward and offering solutions to curve the gang violences within our community or he is too busy having lunch at John's Grill with Jim Rivaldo.

Anonymous said...

I was walking by 24th and Shotwell a little after 2am that night. I saw 10-20 "kids" (teenager-young 20s), at least some of 'em Latino, at the corner, yelling, walking out into the street, etc.; I couldn't tell if they were yelling at each other or the cars, but some cars had to slow down and swerve around these folks. Sometime later - 10-20 minutes maybe, I don't know? - several of the guys ran down Shotwell Street; one was shooting a gun into the air.

I called the cop non-emergency line when I first saw the guys hanging on the corner; then again later when the shots were fired. (Should've called 911 after the shots, I guess, but I wasn't thinking straight.) I never saw the cops show up, but then I wasn't really waiting for them.

Anonymous said...

I was in a car that had bottles thrown at it. It was fucked up and after reading this I'm really glad my friend who was driving didn't get out and confront them like he wanted to. I'm also really glad I wasn't walking home by myself like I have so many times before. yikes.

Anonymous said...

thats how us northern cali cholos get down up here in the bay fuck those la punks ene they cat hang with the big bad norte gang. 24$T Y CAPP X415 XIV

Anonymous said...

If you just Google SF crime statistics and do a little easy math you will find La Mission has the worst crime in SF. Everyone is afraid to come to my house over in the 94124 cuz we are mostly black, but the white kidz sure love to party in La Mission. Can't blame them... thats where all the best bars are for the kidz (crowded, filthy, overpriced). Lucky for me there's nice bars closer to me, where I can get a seat and a $3 pint. Shhhh, dont tell anyone. Stay away.

Anonymous said...

The crime rate is a lot lower in cities where people own firearms and are allowed to carry them. The average scumbag is usually deterred from robbing people by the idea of getting shot while doing it.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous" said...

"thats how us northern cali cholos get down up here in the bay fuck those la punks ene they cat hang with the big bad norte gang. 24$T Y CAPP X415 XIV"

Not bad, officer. But just for future reference, Nortenos NEVER refer to themselves as "cholos". In fact, the term "cholo" is most commonly used by spanish speaking Mexicans and older Chicanos, as an unapproving term to describe gang members. You guys are learning, though. Also, and this is important; Nortenos never refer to Surenos as "LA Punks". They would only use an insulting term, like "Scraps", "scrapa", "sewer rats", "suratas", etc.

"LA Punks"?? LOL. Who says "punks" anymore, anyway? This isn't the 50s.

I see our tax dollars are at work. Just a couple more classes on gang lingo before you guys get the whole posing as gang members to stir the pot thing down. God speed.

Yeh, I know. I'm just a pesky defense lawyer, or some kind of Michael Moore liberal. But what's worse, that, or a police officer pretending to be a gang member on the internet? If one person gets killed because of the bullshit you posted (not likely, considering how transparently phony it is to anyone remotely connected to the gang world), the blood is on your hands. I don't care how many good things you've done.

Anonymous said...

Officer? You must be an idiot to think that a cop would waste their time "stirring the pot" online.

It's more than likely some idiot kid who feels cool when he posts gang shit online.

I don't know when you became king of slang, but I've heard many people use the term "punk," so I think you're a little out of touch there, buddy.

What the hell made you think he was a cop and not some stupid 13 year old?

Anonymous said...

ALL YOU FUCKIN RACIST ASS PEOPLE SHUT THE FUCK UP... THIS THE MISSION BITCH.. YOU DONT LIKE THIS SHYT.. GET THE FUCK OUT!!! GON STAY ON THIS BLOCK SHYT!! BITCH!!!!

Anonymous said...

this is a false story. live in the area no such event took place. fyi, tenderloin is most crime ridden area not the mission. also depends on your definition of "crime." drug sales, drunken and disorderly conduct or homicides? I wish police would focus more on dangerous crime instead of drugs busts that make for high numbers but don't make us safer...

it is a shame when people have to resort to lies to push silly policing policies that don't work.

gang injunctions have only pushed crime to other neighborhoods. failed project which has only made places like north mission, soma, and tl more dangerous...

Anonymous said...

how about the story when the cops harassed the shit out of children in the mission? oh wait that happens all the time...

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